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[temetnosce]

I'm deeply concerned about the new rules on pillowfort, the fact that they banned an artist already, the use of the words "good faith" and "bad faith" in their discussion (good faith specifically is one of the terms we have issue with in the Article 13 situation), the precedent it sets and the arguments happening in the comments. Oh, and all the people who seem more offended that people are disrespecting the staff/the beta than the nature of the site's response to these issues.

As an example: If they want to get an app in the app store, they're gonna have to play by exactly the same rules, and this is an example of the actions they're going to take when they need to change them. It doesn't bode well.

Do go and read Dreamwidth's policy explained here. Note Denise's way of responding to those issues, with the experience of years of discussing and policing those issues.

I am leaving tumblr because I stand with the community and I stand with artists. If Pillowfort is going to treat artists just as unprofessionally based on the content they're producing, and on a whim, then I can't justify going there either. Which is frustrating af because people seem determined to go. Twitter offered no reprieve. If anything the influx of new users only made the wankstorm more profound and it's an even worse place to be than it was before.

Also I can barely load pillowfort, so... Guess I'm resolved. Dreamwidth or bust.

Comments

[temetnosce]

For sure neither are perfect. I think I'm leaning more on DW because it's obviously a lot more finished, whereas Pillowfort still has a ways to go. I think I'll see where the TOS and the workability of the platform is when time has rolled on a little bit, but at the moment DW is reliable, and that's what I need most when backing up my old content. I don't think I'll be missed on PF, and if in time it turns out that the platform is sturdy then no harm no foul (especially if they find a better way to deal with content they don't want on the site).

[li_izumi]

That's fair and understandable stance. Right now, everything feels pretty up in the air. I hope the dust settles sooner rather than later and we can see where the chips have landed. The uncertainty of the fandom migration (or lack of migration) is the really frustrating part to me.

[temetnosce]

The lack of migration is frustrating, yeah. A lot of people on tumblr seem to have gone back to business as usual, which is just aggravating to me on so many different levels. You'd think nothing had changed.

[li_izumi]

I'm torn; on one hand, I've spent 5 years on Tumblr, I have built up followers, I've cultivated my dash, there's a lot of content, I'm familiar with it. I stayed on LJ for years after Strikethrough because that's where my friends were (my RP fandom peeps, we went elsewhere, but for chatting with my friends, we stayed on LJ). I don't want to have to start over.

On the other hand, I don't like what Tumblr is doing, and I don't want to condone their actions.

So at the moment, I'm everywhere, I'm trying to help build communities here, at Pillowfort, maintain my Tumblr. See what happens, where people go, try to help support the new options.

[temetnosce]

I think it's really a wider issue for me. What tumblr is doing is just part of what the wider internet is starting to try and do. They had all the power to dig in and oppose some of the lawmaking that's behind the changes, and FOSTA/SESTA is one of those things, you know? If these kinds of corporate based websites are going to understand that monetizing their content producers means protecting them and continuing to deliver on their promises even when it's not as profitable, then every effort has to be gone to, I think, to make them listen. Facebook is starting to see its market share slip, hopefully so will tumblr.

It's not ideal by any means. It sucks to have a backlog of content and have built up followers and made friends and have to move that, because the effort gets thrown on us. But when it's that or silent acceptance that they can do whatever they like no matter who and what it harms, it doesn't feel like I have a choice.

That's not gonna be a universal feeling though, like I said below. People, especially young folks, are gonna take this as not that bad, or actually think that it's a good thing, and they'll stick to tumblr cause it's easier. Some people seem to expect the site to die in the spring and I don't think it's that simple. It has too much content already built into it to do that, and one of the things that especially bothers me with that is that the content producers can leave but they can't delete their content; they can't rob tumblr of the thing that, once those people are gone, will continue to make tumblr money in clicks. Or: I hate reblogging and it's bad D=

[lurea]

I was just thinking this today too. Um....why are we still acting like its business as usual, people. But I guess the average user age on Tumblr maybe skews younger and they're not ready to leave yet. For me, I'm like, well, the writing's on the wall. Plus, although I can enjoy Tumblr, the pace of constant input is overwhelming sometimes. I like my reading page here so much better.

[temetnosce]

I have to admit it'll be nice to not feel like I have to be on tumblr to share my content. I haven't had time to read fic in months and it's so sad, cause I love reading but I just never have time. Tumblr was sucking a lot of that time just from the endless scrolling feature. Young folks will inevitably stay because they think it's just the porn being kicked off and they're happy with that. It's like fanfiction.net like that, I guess. They don't see it necessarily in the same way as a betrayal of the userbase and symbolic of how that's going to continue, but my experience with other websites is they always get worse, and the content always gets watered down and shared without restrictions, and then nobody has a safe space.

[majestic_duxk]

me too. which is why I just deleted. I don't want to support it. I will not support. I even trawled through my email addresses and discovered I had 5 tumblrs, so they are all deleted as well, even though they were SFW.